Sunday 23 February 2014

POST 139 Geo-Engineering

Hello. I am going on a bit about geo- engineering, however I feel it is so important to our world future as a race and as evolutionary choice. This is of course a follow up from Posts 135 and 136. The video in the link below is a very comprehensive and great idea as to contacting authorities with an App. I do not own a tablet, cell / mobile that has this facility.  I am counterbalancing the so called fearsome with a suggestion and alternative view as in Post 135 and 136.
February 18, 2014 - Lungs are a notoriously delicate organ. That makes useable donor lungs hard to come by—in 2010, just 1,800 lung transplants took place in the United States. However, researchers are getting closer to addressing the shortage by growing lungs, for the first time, in the lab. Although these lungs haven’t been actually transplanted, the technology could someday help shorten the list of people waiting for donors.

Scientists at the University of Texas used damaged lungs from two children who died in car accidents. In a cutting-edge kind of tissue engineering, they stripped away all the cells from the lungs and left behind the “scaffolding,” the intricate web of proteins that holds cells in place. Researchers then coated this scaffold with viable lung cells from a second pair of lungs, not suitable for transplant. Finally, they placed the lungs in a nutrient bath for four weeks to allow the cells to grow and fully re-create lung tissue.

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The lung is a very complex organ, and that complexity is one reason why the tissue engineering of lungs is lagging behind that of other, less complex organs. It will be a while yet before any organ can be reliably grown from the starting point of a patient's own cells - though groups like the New Organ initiative hope to speed the arrival of that...
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The Sixth Extinction: Earth is on the brink of another massive loss of animal species but this time the calamity isn't an asteroid or ice age...
Scroll down to The Sixth Extinction.  Excellent article. 
Robots to haunt you.
Cheetah Robot runs at per hour

Alpha Dog  US Marines Pack Animal.
Courtesy of Personocratic Seeds. Media Control 
A great article
CubeSats are tiny, but they could one day be used to bring the Internet to millions.(Flickr/thebadastronomer)


Coming Soon: Free Internet From Space

Outernet wants to use tiny satellites to take the whole world online—even in countries where dictators wish they wouldn’t.
Another great article.
You Have Done And/Or Will Do Everything You Could Ever Conceive Of
From all of the above you may be able to see or glean the way part of the world scenario is going.  This is just a snippet of what is really going on tech wise if you consider that most tech stuff is out of date by some 20 years in some disciplines and yet hot sellers on the market today.
It is good business sense to hold back the real 'goodies' so that each year the new best updated and gadget infested cell / mobile, TV, car, Tablet and so on, the new wonder drug, it is endless.
So just how far have we got with a virtual human, a cloned human, a new human and so on.  The new fashion dress, design, food, trend. 
Then go back to basics, return to religion, back to manure, composting, greening the Earth, ecology, cosmology, yet commercially these self sustaining elements and moral compasses are not viable. Never mind depleting the Earth of its resources, so that the few will have them at the expense of the many, who may die off of starvation, and so the rich and powerful inherit the Earth and not as the bible says 'the meek and humble shall inherit the Earth'
A rather tired and forlorn Vicar I was speaking too the other day said 'I am beginning to have doubts whether the Kingdom of Heaven, the meek and all that is meant for this planet as it is and whether in fact when Jesus said 'my world is different from theirs, and the to thieves besides him on the cross, when he said, I tell you, you will be in paradise and so on, perhaps the Kingdom of Heaven is in Heaven another dimension perhaps'
So where are we now?  Well perhaps we can consider the following options or scenarios.
There are those who wish to remain forever young, through say meditation, diet, certain exercises, having fun, being in groups of like minded people, being positive, saying mantras, affirmations, and it is  know from studies, such as Dr Bruce Lipton and many others that genes are not static as it were and some are but many more are open to 'suggestion'. The mind that produces positive and uplifting thoughts, emotions, such as breath and mantra, alters the neurotransmitters, neuropeptides and so on.  I wrote extensively on this in energygrid over the years. In the final outcome death claims all, however, this is viewed as a step in evolution and higher form of living. 
To some longevity followers they view death as final, but they had a great life whilst it lasted.  
Some of the 'grow younger ' people wear wigs, make up and claim that the image helps to maintain the youthful idea.  Yes I can acknowledge that, yet I prefer me whatever state I am in as it were, and I naturally endeavour to be as fit, healthy as possible, simply without too many supplements and simple life style and selection of intuitive responses.  Each to their own and variety is the spice of life.
Let us consider as in back Posts 135 and 136 the option of being genetically altered. There are two branches about this; there are tremendous advances being made in stem cell technology, if one researches this in depth, it is startling, then there has been the research and then banned by Robert O Becker and Gary Selsden in their amazing work 'The Body Electric', so good that the authorities smashed up their lab and so on. The works of James L Oschman  in 'Energy Medicine' and then 'Light Medicine of the Future' by Jacob Liberman. All of these and others produced technologies that were based on very natural methods but of course were not commercially viable, however, they could have extended life and youthfulness.  
Let us consider those tribesmen and women in remote parts that live into their hundreds, they are found worldwide and research will furnish their lifestyles and habitats.  These eventually die, they are not the immortals.  Immortality in a human body is the goal of the elite. They may get their wish to some extent by eugenics which may be two pronged. Freezing cryonics, again cryonic- ally preserved at the instant of heart arrest for post mortem and the longer one in a tank for many years, the individual hoping a cure will be found to their disease and then revived and given the cure, however, this has not been proved as yet.  
Cryonic chambers.
Then let us consider continual donor organs, limbs from 'harvested humans' as in science fiction and my story of 'Scan at Barrier 7' where the elite lived in Domes until the pollution had cleared and the 'plebs' were kept on artificial supports, alive, and harvested for their replacement bits, this of course has been going on and some bent doctors have been caught, some poverty stricken people have given up kidneys, eyes and so on for money. Like mothers who are selling their breast milk for money reported in a back Post and RT TV in some parts of the USA  and the world.
Then we may view as in back Posts 135/6 to be either a clone, then how many of you?  Who clones you and what characteristics would be changed for the 'better' or not.  Religious and theological, moral opposition to this is arising.  What authority decides who to clone. Are the clones just wealthy, the elite?  Do they serve the planet and humanity? What set of scientists are ethically able to facilitate this? What are the priorities and requirements and so on. When one considers the fuss and hullabaloo over euthanasia, then it is a large step to cloning and even a larger step to the next issue. What is the determining facts for all of these.  Is a burnt out GMO world, a chemtrail world, the plan to frighten people into submission and the media brain washing as above the tool to convince us of our collective futures?
Courtesy mazusharl 
Then to 135 /6 Posts where we become a programme in a computer, originally programmed by scientists, then they themselves build a self replicating computer and there is not one animal, plant or human 'alive' so to speak, we are all in a virtual world. I have said we maybe so already, either this has been done to us by ET, or we are a figment in God's mind, we are not our creation but 'his', or we are a creation of God but science wants to outdo him and become our new God.
Either way many of us are seeking a way out of death, illness, unhappiness and lack of fulfilment.  Suicides are on the increase with insanity and senile decay---options-----your choice.
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There are so many more options. Now let us see what the Ascension or Transformation can give us. I have written in  menu Destiny huge information on the transformation process and would suggest you go to the January 2014 last four blogs on a detailed data information on my view of this, and my continual view we are in the process right now.  This can be destroyed by the GMO scenario, however, I feel if we have enough years left till 2032 / 2075 we might make the breakthrough en masse to a natural next step evolution. OF course this takes the power and authority away from the elite, this is why they want to go their chemtrail way, GMO way, and inherit the Earth, either live in domes, clean up after they do us in, or see the future of man made organs etc,  as above. Anyway they will see it as the majority of us are not needed.
To the average person the idea of a Evolutionary Natural Ascension and a body that is different naturally would be a hard idea to 'sell', life style change ah la dramatic, perhaps many tech gadgets removed, yet a different kind of technology, one that is beneficial to the plant and us.  As in my article, telepathy, telekinesis and so on, the upgrade from psychic powers to tele powers(see Jan energygrid as above), my view is that one can infuse so much of the 'new energies'  that ascension and transformation can happen in two ways. One by human body transformation as described in the grid and one where the individual is 'spun' cell wise at such a rate that they create a kind of wormhole or stargate and go to the next energy dimension, which I feel is not where the mass of the departed or 'so called dead' go as spirits with Earthly memories, but to 'higher' which means higher frequency or vibratory states, energy fields and exist as energy beings and not lower frequency spirits that reincarnate. 
To facilitate this process to a higher / faster / vibratory state there are tools for getting there as outlined by many sources.
To those who cannot comprehend this or to those who feel the chemtrail / GMO / elite stuff is poppycock and balderdash, and all the other options, then they may liken this to a famous actor  / comedian to me some years back ' your'e stark raving bonkers'. Well these are but a smattering of choices for the future and maybe we haven't got one at all.  
Courtesy  nangentmythbusters blog
Whatever your choice, it seems many of us want a future be it immortal in a human type flesh body, immortal as in a spirit when we die, go to endless dimensions, become a virtual programmes with a memory of self in it, a suicidal tendency to be rid of this world and any future or oblivion is better, to believe we are just an electrical phenomena caused by the electric activity when the cell at conception takes splits and so without the need for a creator or intelligence, just evolution over the trillions of years, self organising itself and so the electricity is consciousness and when the organism dies, the 'light goes out' so to speak and we merely recycle the flesh in its decaying form back to the grave, ground into extinction, and the dead universe gives electrical input to start the cellular sperm and creation going, no god, no intelligence, just a big bang that came from nowhere, it was an accident and we are the result of this dead matter and as we now evolved to become intelligent it is up to us to give the Universe Life even though we came from its dead matter.  I rest my case.

The option I favour most is by meditation which at or in its deepest form rooted in the evolutionary principle and whatever that means, it gives one the sense of understanding creation and its purpose.  It is not a logical or technical understanding. It is not taught or describable in words, although many fine attempts have been made. Although many philosophers, guru's and wise academics have experienced this transcendental ecstatic, awesome and thunderstruck and yet strangely quiet at the same instance experience, it is universal to many from all different walks of Life.   

The meditation videos above are very basic ideas and proofs of its efficiency and health giving aspects.  This is at the very beginning stage.  Once true mediation as distinct from imagery, mantra, yantra, visualisation, affirmations, hypnosis, chanting, psychic phenomena, divine hallucinations, channelling, and so on are gone through, these are steps on the way, then one comes to ground zero and one knows with every fibre of one's being.
There is a zealous fanatic that can hype themselves up to such a fervour, that they too feel they have 'found it', drug 'trip' users feel they have as well. This is where brain wave technology and scans can be very useful.  Another research one can do.  Again I have blogged on this very often. There are technical details which can be found on the net.

How Wolves Change Rivers.
Let the wolves and their instinctual make a point or two about the natural world and the animals that came as a result of their being introduced back to nature where they had become extinct. There are similar places where Lions and other animals have revived flagging parts of nature, and where oil spills and other unnatural disasters have wreaked havoc on the environment and given time and let alone, nature has restored itself. Let us remember we are part of nature as well. Which way can we rehabilitate ourselves to fit into this scenario if it is our choice.
Let Ray Kurzwell have his way, and as a programme there would be a virtual nature, no worries about climate change, work or war, only if it were programmed out, so maybe these are the choices.  One is living forever as a programme and you would not know you were not a programme.  Or knowing your fleshly Life does end with death as do the units in nature.  Or maybe both are programmes and our journey here is to find out who programmed us and then who programmed the programmer.  You'll know when you reach the end of the meditation journey.  Until then.  BE WELL. Geoff.

Wednesday 19 February 2014

POST 138 the fall from logic. PT. 2

Hey man I feel hungry, I'm starved and frazzled and thirsty.

Okidoke I know a place to eat, reasonable and clean.

(They go and order).  One has Plaice and Salad with a pint of draught Guinness, the other a large steak and fries with salad and a glass of wine, they share a desert of apple crumble and custard. Both have a coffee and retire to the lounge in the Pub Bar. 
Pub lounge

That's better I feel ready to freak out a bit now.  I challenge you and say is there something, something tangible even if it is with the mind in a picture, feeling or form?

If there is only you can find it.

Ah so there is a it then?

Only you will know.

Stop being obtuse. You say there is no you so there is nothing to find then.

You seemed to have answered yourself.

Come on be real, stop fanning around.  Is there a you or not and what is it ?

Well there is a virtual you built round programmes as before and this can be verified by 7 Billion others or you's on the planet. However if the collective has agreed this is reality with its many differing views, cultures, religions and la la la, then so be it.  I suppose you could call it relative reality. Then when eras change say from Roman Empire Caesar days till now with the feudal days, industrial revolution and the changing fads, customs and idioms, then yes there are identities, then what about all that fades and then dies, again the so called reality of the day becomes obsolete and deplete.  So where is your base line your security there, the flotsam and jetsam of the moving stream, the changing clouds.  The only constant is CHANGE(emphasised, any ' are sort of inflections of speech).  How do you hold onto change.  If you do, you freeze the moving stream and that becomes reality. Frozen frames and currents of a moving scenario. True and real if one is lost in it.  Not an absolute if one lives and senses the undercurrent of temporal and shifting sands.
The notion that the atom was the smallest particle in the universe fell with the discovery that the atom itself is made up of even smaller, subatomic elements. What was even more shocking was the revelation that these subatomic particles emit various “strange energies.”(0) Proponents would argue that the findings within quantum physics only apply and are significant at the subatomic level, but to those I say, are we not all existing at the subatomic level? When we observe ourselves and our physical environment at the smallest level, are we not made up of atoms? Are we not made up of subatomic particles? Are we not what we observe?
At the turn of the ninetieth century, physicists started to explore the relationship between energy and the structure of matter. In doing so, the belief that a physical, Newtonian material universe that was at the very heart of scientific knowing was dropped, and the realization that matter is nothing but an illusion replaced it. Scientists began to recognize that everything in the Universe is made out of energy.
Quantum physicists discovered that physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature. Therefore, if we really want to observe ourselves and find out what we are, we are really beings of energy and vibration, radiating our own unique energy signature -this is fact and is what quantum physics has shown us time and time again. We are much more than what we perceive ourselves to be, and it’s time we begin to see ourselves in that light. If you observed the composition of an atom with a microscope, you would see a small, invisible tornado like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void.(0) The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of invisible energy, not tangible matter.
It’s quite the conundrum, isn’t it? Our experience tells us that our reality is made up of physical material things, and that our world is an independently existing objective one. Again, what quantum mechanics reveals is that there is no true “physicality” in the universe, that atoms are made of focused vorticies of energy-miniature tornadoes that are constantly popping into and out of existence.  The revelation that the universe is not an assembly of physical parts, suggested by Newtonian physics, and instead comes from a holistic entanglement of immaterial energy waves stems from the work of Albert Einstein, Max Planck, and Werner Heisenberg, among others. (0)

The Illusion Of Matter: Our Physical Reality Isn’t Really Physical At All

- See more at:
The above speaker refers to the above article.
So based on the above purely from physics we see our identity the you,  you refer too is 'as of the last paragraph above, our problems and insecurity stems from trying to  make concrete, solidify so we can plant our feet on it and say.  This is stable, firm, safe. Yet even Earthly time will crumble concrete and the huge stars'. 

So how can I live with almost everyone saying this is real, everlasting?
I will be the odd one out, I will find it awkward.

Just enjoy the illusion, do not try to become addicted. Like a person in the desert and the winds keep changing the dunes, constant adjustments and not trying to deal with the dunes as if they were fixed. The fun of riding the waves of the surf sands if you like.  

So I try to be a surfer, to ride the storms and to see change as security, wow this seems a bit risky.
You still want answers and certainty.  If you try, you start a discipline, a plan, making up a theory some sort of mind game. It has to come to you as a revelation, a real moment when you see the rope that binds you to the concept. Then one is free in the mind and then there is something else.  Now you are going to ask 'so there is something'.  My reply, maybe, you can only know this.
Courtesy to the above and this to Google Images and an unclear sponsor . It maybe again.
So are you saying that any identity is temporary?  That any attempt to define is merely a label which in time fades and has lost its meaning, and eventually all Life is like this?


Well at least we agree on something.  How then does one obtain or get compassion, care, and not say 'all is an illusion, temporary, who cares, after all there is nothing at the end of it all, I can steal, rape, pillage, no karma, no retribution its all atoms and non corporeal'?

Through clinging to that which is seen as solid, bringing pleasure and safety and addiction or fixed attitude, a habit is formed, and if this thing, pursuit or whatever is taken away, it can bring suffering a kind of withdrawal syndrome, pain, feeling less, deprived, and some search endlessly for more, more sometimes in vain and they get hinkey, strange, maniacal and the like.   To those who can enjoy, let go and realise that fulfilment does not come from that which has decaying propensities, then the pain of withdrawal does not apply. There is a natural compassion when addiction and fear have gone. At first the pangs of withdrawal bring pain and suffering and then the joy through the burden -less existence brings serenity and peace. 
(Pause to order bottles of water)
So by experience one finds that an inner peace prevails, that the mind enjoys being free of want and desire.  Then a compassion grows as one sees the struggle, the wars, the bitterness over property, money, possessions, territory, an example the battle over disputed wills and that kind of thing.  Some awaken when the futility of accumulation, hoarding and its resulting safety mechanisms to ensure a supply and safety through possessions.  Constant guarding and insuring, defending and regression it can breed. Selfishness and arrogance and a disregard for anything as long as one's wants, which may have become addictions are satisfied.  To some there is no limit or moral compass to their hunger for their desires. In the end these desires maybe their downfall. 

Supposing as some do they like war, get off on cruelty and seem to thrive on it, love their addictions and get away with it, what then? Do you feel it is right or wrong, moral or immoral?

There are some cultures where all you say is acceptable, to kill for their bible, call those heathens who are not religious and so on. There are always opposites to the name, culture, label, as long as one labels there is the other side of the label.  So a lot of morals are derived from the era and culture, for example beheading in the French Revolution, hung drawn and quartered in the UK.  So this is acceptable in the culture and era one lived and not anywhere else outside that culture.  So morals are on a sliding scale, they are definite's, although we piously like to, think so.
Now let us go to where I take my outlook. At present whether I am virtual or not, and I believe we are all virtual, either by clone human hand or the Cosmic hand.  Taking the Cosmic hand as my culture and the Earth where I live, even temporarily, Nature provides my sustenance  and for all of Its inhabitants, so called humans or otherwise.  It is by co operation and ecological intelligence that food, shelter and provisions are provided. Just by common sense alone it would be prudent and wise to go along and co operate in this process.  You could say the elite maybe able to exterminate many and still have nature supply them, they can hoard and enslave. 

Courtesy. www.themistsof
I feel there is an intelligence in Nature and it will backfire if one breaks the chain of supply and demand of husbandry and care. These are the algorithms set for this age and culture and I feel if one rids oneself of hoarding, malice, maiming and torture, one becomes empty of insanity and harming nature or others, then a great joy fills one.  True there maybe those who get the same from the opposite, however, nature which is the prevalent set of sustenance provider will eventually collapse and then the GMO and those kind bring in their laws and algorithms, until then my feel is for Nature and the Cosmic Intelligence behind it.  

Got you. So there is something behind it all.

Yes, however, it can be human hand made which you can identify by scientists in laboratories, true when you are in a computer you would not be able to identify them and say you created me and I know and see you, like the bodies genetically engineered in the film Avatar.
However when you witness the Earth, the stars, Nature and its glory, you see the handiwork, you see the cup made by the potter, not the creator, you do not see the 'mind' of the creator.  The story of the disciple coming to master with a troubled mind. The Master says cut out your mind, or show me your mind and I cut out the offending bit.  So if you can see it, hold it, hang onto it, you see the outcome not the cause.  To know the invisible is impossible, to feel it it might be so, to let go and enjoy the natural world and its ebb and flow, let it entertain you with its magic, I do not know how you arose or whither you go.  Death is a certainty, so whether you cling vainly to certainty and the cure or formulae for immortality in a body, possibly by virtual manipulation in a computerised version of yourself or you or take your chance with death and whatever ensues, is your choice.  

I still think and feel there is something that I can comprehend and say, this is God, I know how the big bang arose and science will day find it.
Things like CERN will find it.

OK so if we go back to 'the illusion of matter I pulled out to show you', it will only be based on a theory.(article in small print above).

So is your Universe.

I agree at present this is the consensus that the Universe exists as planets, stars, us, atoms, particles and the rest, that there maybe intelligence in it or not, and accident or a plan by some intelligence. Until we get an alternative to nature as suggested by the chap who Posted his Blogs 135 and 136 Specials in you showed me and the GMO chaps then I stick with the past, the witness into the reality of emptiness which brings its own experience and perhaps confirmation.

Ah so we are back to 'there is an experience which you denied' and which implied to me a dead sterile world.

Yes there is an experience, however, it is indescribable, it is awe and yet not. You have to experience it for yourself.  If you could put a label on it, it would merely be back in the defined and limited to words. Then the awe and magic is strained out of it.

So you are saying like Jesus it is beyond human understanding?

If there is a God, a Divine energy or intelligence and it is Eternal, omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent then it would be outside description and be in the realm of intuitive spontaneous comprehension'

Well I cannot answer that.

Nor can I.

(with that they left the pub lounge, took to their horses and went back to the home of one of the speakers, which is a chalet in a place at the top of a mountain, there around a cosy log fire they sat in silence, sipping their teas and wine, long into the night and numerous issues came up, and perhaps we may be privy to some of them).

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Monday 17 February 2014


Hi Its good to see you Its been a long while.

Oh yes great to see you too.  How are things?   Yes all is well and the family are great and all that sort of stuff.  And you. Yes my lot and stuff are good.

I was intrigued by your phone call and wondered why your visiting?  
Well I am meeting some folk here and it is about a new project and also a Post I came across in Google.  I guess you know the guy and also I am curios about several things he says and back Posts.  I came across several of the points I want to discuss with you and also I miss our 'Zen' talks.
Yes we spent many a hour or so chewing over the cud on the reason of no reason and that crap.
Well I 'll kick off with something.  My last trip into space got me the awe feeling and this guy mentions something like ' the phantom wave healing device' this guy goes into it a lot in energygrid and so does Wilcock a bit in Source Field and this article (shows bit of paper with 'NASA is working on Star Trek healing devices'it's not sci-fi any more')'
Well all I can say about that is 'its old hat' and they already have it. Reading this guy as you mention from the grid and his Posts, it would seem anything mentioned like this would have been developed years back. 
Yes well I thought this as they are developing the Mars ride and obviously they need a full emergency medical kit, and you would have thought that the guys on the mission would come first. I would have thought medical, food, recycling and all would be the first of the priority.
However I digress, I'm here to do a series of lectures and I wanted to discuss the Posts 135 A and 136 A of these which he calls Specials.
OK go for it.

Just to finish off the above first, I know I jump about a bit. He claims in the grid that they have already got Stargates and they have been to all planets as in the Ben Reich stuff, so all this above is done to break the public into gradually accepting the so called unacceptable.

Maybe, perhaps they really kept the black ops / skunk works so tight that the other side really did not know, you know the threats, the bribes and perhaps erasing their memories when they returned home after a days work.  It can happen.  Also there is a lot of money to be made, a cash cow if you milk it right and make enough intrigue around.  You know space really does grab people. 
So your talking about parallel worlds here?

Well yes, after all most TV's, cell phones and the like are well out of date before they even leave the drawing board, never the less manufactured and sold.

Your more worldly than I and of course I do know this, it just is mind boggling.  So you really believe or think they've got it all already and the rest is sell marketing ploy on the public.

For sure. Wilcock and others will go into this as well, like the interviews with Bill Ryan The Camelot and co.

OK lets get down to the Posts on the Specials. What's your take on GMO and artificial intelligence? 

OK I go along with the Posts. I think that we have cloned robotic androids of which like Dolly the Sheep you would not know the difference if you were one or as it were the 'original human you were cloned from' and if you and I live in a virtual world, would we know the difference. Do you feel real, authentic, human, whatever that means?

Well yes I guess I do.  But on your thinking how would I know if I was abducted and cloned?

Yes exactly.

Oh my God!

Does it matter? In the long run you feel, act, and are going on exactly as you are or were before cloning.

What about my skin, my family, my kids? 

They are not necessarily cloned, they could be implanted as a programme in your 'mind' and you may not have a body so to speak at all, you are a dream,a programme in a computer.

You mean I do not actually exist?

You do but not how you originally thought yourself to be.  You are a dream, a programme. Maybe I am in your dream or you are in mine.
This is real scary. I may not even be alive as I know it.

Correction dear friend you may not be alive at all as you knew it, or you may never have been alive.

That's madness.

By whose definition? If you you are a creation of God say, then you are only a figment of his imagination, so you have only been alive as an idea in His Mind. Maybe He gave you a gift to think for yourself, the so called free will, but that was  the only way you knew yourself and thought, I feel I am aware of myself, however, this could be a feeling He Gave you, you are His Dream, and his dream, like when you dream, it  all seems so real. In what space do you dream? How long does a dream last?
You are scaring the shit out of me.  Do you really think we are cloned and are in virtual reality already?

Taking the point many scientists feel we are a hologram within a hologram so to speak, and the whole Universe is bit by bit dissolving, exploding, reforming a sort of perpetual motion, it seems to me the Universe is trying to find out if it is real or not. You know atoms, particles are composed of what?  90% of f---k all as my old prof would say, so why are we, you, me holding on to nothing, the that which you cannot grasp?  Because we want to exist, I Want to Know I Am, so does the Universe.

So where does that leave me, my existence, my life?

Why ask me I am in the same shit as you.
Well you seem to accept the situation more than I can. This really disturbs me, I am going to deliver lectures to Universities on Space and the beauty of the Universe and how we should all be a world community and all that, save the planet, be ecological and all, now what for?

Maybe that's the Universes Plan, God's plan, Gods dream and maybe its because that's the way the Universe preserves Itself and Self reinvents Itself.  Maybe you and I are only figments of His imagination, maybe He is the supreme dreamer, and all of us or some of us are trying to outdo, outshine His dream and create a world nay a Universe of our own, take His free gift and say OK thanks a lot I'm off and doing my own thing.

That seems a better way for me.

Yes it may make you more comfortable feeling there is a benign Creator out there, looking after you, keeping you warm and snug in his all enveloping Mind, his consciousness wrapped around you and protecting you from those roguish egoistic scientists who feel they have a greater mind than 'Him' and say He does not exist the Universe is dead matter.  In a way it is because we cannot feel or perceive its aliveness, then it is dead.
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Then you are saying as we are a figment in an imagination, and how big is a mind without a body? And maybe we need a body, virtual or not to get a sense of spatial relationship to who we are.

Yes the room needs walls, and the furniture is the content of the programme which the awareness virtual or not perceivers itself as 'real' or exists. If the dreamer stops dreaming, the computer is switched off, then there is emptiness without recognition. This is not death, this is rest, the unconscious reforming, like trees in winter refurbishing, sleeping, resting regathering. Or waiting for someone or thing to switch the machine on again.

So we are left with what?  To my mind it is who created me, this is what concerns me the most.

The crux as I see it is 'who created this virtual reality and who do I trust'?  If I am at the caprice of some bunch of mad hell bent arrogant big headed elite, a bunch of long headed aliens, goggle eyed ET's, then I am at the whim of their programmes, their fantasies, they hold the on / of switch, and from the way this 'virtual' world reality is working out with global warming, austerity measures, wars, atrocities beyond human conception, wild uncontrolled drug, ego infused monstrosities, no I opt out if I could. However, they may have created this mayhem in order for the take over to clone us or make us more subservient or robotic, then offer us the salvation of their cloning virtual world, to live as programme or an android as a safe paradise a haven from this awful storm war ridden melting pole shifting world. 
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Do we feel mankind will hold the 'new world ' in its hands or do we trust the Cosmos and the creator behind the form?

Neither.  Because we may not be able to determine what of these two options are real, if anything is real.  We are left beyond our understanding, our philosophy, our logic, our science, our complete history and encyclopaedia of existence, beyond the awareness, the witness, we are are empty of all reason and understanding. We stand naked before all knowledge. We are and the Universe is beyond definition, measurement and comprehension. So I say for me fall over the cliff, the edge of reason.

What do you say about the Guru stuff about 'Who am I, I am Me? and a saying that the riddle, the koan is answered by the fact that when you do not need to answer it or question it, you know?
To me there is no 'I'. I feel that when I say I as I just said, it is an identity built, constructed around a set of programmes that are bunched, bundled, sifted categorised and this package is given a label mine, me, I, and all associated possessions are labelled mine, these are mine.

So what the hell is the witness, the awareness that one is the witness?

The sole purpose of the witness is to realise the programmes, the conditioning, the bundle or package, and realise you are not them. So the witness disappears and what is left is ------?(at this point the speaker shrugs and is quiet and laughing).

Well there is nothing left.  One is a vegetable, a blithering idiot, a empty vessel ---- this is a ridiculous conclusion to life, its seems it has all been in vain. 

And you are sure of that?

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Hey, I know I am alive I feel it, live it know it.

Yeah, How do you know you haven't been programmed to 'feel' this. After all they are producing prosthetic limbs which can feel.  Look at StarWars.  Your still trying to find answers.

That's what keep me from going mad, insane.

If you let go of sanity and insanity, you find you arrive at a state of consciousness which is neither.  

You man are getting zanier and quirkier than ever.

It is the quest to find and answer which is answer-less that provided the mystery, and this fuels the quest.

OK I understand that  fuels the zest for life and stops one being bored.

If you seek the quest it alludes you, if the quest arrives as it were spontaneously, synchronistically, then it is appropriate.  

You talk in riddles at times.

Keeps the brain active and stops becoming daft and senile.

Before you said there was nothing, now your saying there is a quest?

I said are you sure of that?  Well are you?

I am not sure of anything now?

If you can live with that, that uncertainty, then the quest has found you.  If yo have no quest you are dead and if you have a quest you are confused and in ignorance.

So what is the quest?

You will know when it finds you and the fact you are in a quandary, feeling to run, hide, find a secure place, this means it has found you, let it lead you to depths unknown, outside of logic and reason, beyond and then, and then, you may find the pearl of Creation, remembering that a pearl is only found in an enclosure of the oyster shell.  You maybe the shell and once found the pearl within, you may well become something else.

continued on post 138 'THE FALL FROM LOGIC PART 2'.